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    Kickstarter Backer Stu's Idle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SableFox View Post
    I’ve gone for the resin upgrades anyway, so I am no fan of PVC. Robust, detailed, resin sounds really good. My only caution is taking the process from prototype to production may prove harder than expected (which is why many companies subcontract out their resin production to specialists). However, if 4Ground want to be a resin miniatures company, they need to learn how to do this at some point. I am fine with in-house as long as their normal standards of quality control are maintained.
    If they produce them in resin each one shipped will be printed in-house, so each one will be a master.
    There are pros and cons to the in-house option, the main con being cost. This is something I know they will take their time to calculate and I'm sure they will make the right call. While I think a lot of us would be delightled if they chose to go in-house with resin if it impacts the future of the game I'm more than happy with PVC.

    Quote Originally Posted by SableFox View Post
    If they go all resin; what will those who paid for the resin upgrade get for their extra pledge amount (72 in my case)?
    There was discussion of a credit note for the extra amount you pledged.

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    Agree @Radegast that it could be my device; but since it is an iPad I have no control over drivers/updates, I just have to wait for Apple. However, I have played previous KS Lives on this device.

    @Stu Idle, yes I agree that if PVC is better for the future of the game then it would be the right choice. I am going with resin so the only question for me is external vs internal manufacture.

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    i am pvc all over. small extra batches for heroes ands stuff could be done in house if its limited number needed only. or annual new pose thing.

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    The one question that needs to be raised (as a player) is going to be the new cost of the starter set at retail. Now for a moment, take your kickstarter backer head off (you've already paid, and got a significant discount), Ben estimates the new starter sets in resin will cost about 50-60. So if you purchase two starter sets its going to cost up to 120 for 16 figures, two rulebooks and the counters. Now if you saw this in your local store, would it put you off (as backers its in all our interest to see the game grow, so we can see lots of new opponents to play against)?

    Its priced around the "boutique" game mark (high quality components, high price). Looking around for the more expensive miniatures games we have Infinity Red Veil (70 for 14 metal figures, rules, counters etc), and Guildball (which used to be a similar price for the resin starter set, but they have started doing a cheaper PVC starter set for 50). I'm a bit worried that many gamers will see this high entry point and walk away at the store front. Now Guildball do sell resin teams for 50 for 7 figs and no rules or counters, so the FR starter set pricing isn't that high in comparison (and GW still get away with selling a single plastic mini for 32). But my main worry in trying to get other players into the game when it hits retail is that initial spend to get started (and lets face it most buyers tend to buy at least two forces these days so they can always play the game even if no-one locally has the game).

    The older PVC starter sets were going to be around 40 (if I remember right), so 80 would have got you two starter sets (which is comparable with a lot of games on the market), I've also noticed Guildball are slowly remastering their team box sets to lesser quality PVC minis and selling at 35 and dropping the resin production (why is that?). So I'm a bit worried that another company that did some excellent resin minis, decided to go to PVC after the game had launched. Now I'm not moaning "if" Ben and Cad decide to go with the new resin figures (I think its ALL in the backers interest to get some VERY nice figures, that seem to be technologically leading the market when it comes to resin gaming minis...I personally want them (in a self interest, greedy, typical wargamer type way )), however I am worried about what may happen when the game hits retail (I want it to go "BOOM" and everyone to buy it) with such a high entry point to get started.

    Anyhow, your thoughts on this question (for feedback that's a bit more involved than what we can get on the livestream text lines) to Ben and Cad. Would you feel that 100-120 for two starter sets make you walk away if you weren't a backer and were seeing the game for the first time in your local store?

    Not even sure if I made any sense here at midnight and starting to fall asleep

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    Kickstarter Backer Stu's Idle's Avatar
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    I agree with you Phaid. The future of the game is more important to me than slightly better minis. I have faith that the PVC minis will be good quality, like the Zombicide minis I think. I've modified and painted some Zombicide Black Plague minis to use as Dragol and I'm very happy with them.

    If I was trying to tempt other people in my club to purchase the game I suspect it would be much easier with cheaper (but still good quality) PVC than with expensive resin.

    Either way I know that Cad, Ben and Adam will look at all the pros and cons and make the decision, for the future of the game and us backers.

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    I am not sure you will get very good answers from asking backers whether they’d pay the price in retail, since they are a self-selected group who have already decided they will pay and have done so... (maybe not quite so much, but still pay a fair amount).

    Would I pay 120 for a quality tabletop game? Yes.

    Would I pay 120 for this game? Maybe. I am quite intrigued by it. What I would like to see - if I hadn’t seen the KS - is some positive write-ups, particularly in magazines and/or my friends telling me it is a great game.

    Having said that I’ve pledged much much more than 120 on KickStarter for this. Though I admit I was taking the attitude that it is good value for money for the terrain, and if the freebie game turns out to be good too then that is a bonus.

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    Wow Phaid,

    You have some very valid points there.
    It could very well be that potential buyers will be put off by the higher pricepoint for a resin starter.
    But not all gamers will be stopped by such a pricepoint.

    What is most important for now (i.m.h.o) is a good marketing campaign.

    That count's for either the game (rules by BoW and other channels with high coverage) as for the models.
    Maybe by making the mini lovers want these models too (just for painted great figs (examples by pro painters are the way to go)) just for the painting side of the hobby
    so to bet on 2 horses simultaniously

    (Hope this all makes sense, as I am obviously a non-native English speaker)

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    Here is the latest kickstarter live replay.

    https://live.kickstarter.com/cad-jea...starter-live-3
    Thanks,
    Luke (Lurkio),
    Senior Laser Technician / Community Manager / Production Manager

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    Anything interesting revealed on this one?

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    Last of the sculpts of unlocked Kickstarter miniatures completed - Halgar as a war smith.

    Prepping for the beta weekend. So resin minis for those going in production. They'll be filming stuff for people who aren't going to the beta weekend to watch next week - including a let's play of the sells words vs the state guard.

    After the beta weekend Ben's allowed on the forum - I guess they aren't too worried about him spelling anymore secrets ��.

    Beta rules will appear in the forum after the beta weekend.

    They think they can make the printing of miniatures economical - They have run the maths but are going to discuss it more during the beta weekend. The printers they are using are cheaper than the ones they use for doing the terrain. The labour cost is only the time it takes to set up and then remove the completed job. Not the 12hours it takes to print.

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